Comments on: They don't like it up 'em http://www.thehorsellsmouth.com/2009/09/they-dont-like-it-up-em/ Politics, pedantry and personal interests Thu, 04 Nov 2010 10:31:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: The blog of Olly Wells « The Horsell's Mouth http://www.thehorsellsmouth.com/2009/09/they-dont-like-it-up-em/comment-page-1/#comment-9 The blog of Olly Wells « The Horsell's Mouth Sat, 26 Sep 2009 20:26:24 +0000 http://simonashall.wordpress.com/?p=173#comment-9 [...] blog of Olly Wells September 25, 2009 — simonashall I did promise that I wouldn’t be blogging on individual Lib Dems unless they blogged on individual [...] [...] blog of Olly Wells September 25, 2009 — simonashall I did promise that I wouldn’t be blogging on individual Lib Dems unless they blogged on individual [...]

]]> By: simonashall http://www.thehorsellsmouth.com/2009/09/they-dont-like-it-up-em/comment-page-1/#comment-8 simonashall Fri, 18 Sep 2009 08:24:19 +0000 http://simonashall.wordpress.com/?p=173#comment-8 Denzil, thanks for your comment and for commenting in an open and transparent manner. Olly Wells blogged on Melanie several times and got the same back - however, you'll note from the above that I will discontinue that vein, provided that is observed on both sides. I don't accept what you say about John but you wouldn't expect me to. I too hope we can have a constructive debate and I look forward to it. Denzil, thanks for your comment and for commenting in an open and transparent manner. Olly Wells blogged on Melanie several times and got the same back – however, you’ll note from the above that I will discontinue that vein, provided that is observed on both sides.
I don’t accept what you say about John but you wouldn’t expect me to.
I too hope we can have a constructive debate and I look forward to it.

]]> By: denzilcoulson http://www.thehorsellsmouth.com/2009/09/they-dont-like-it-up-em/comment-page-1/#comment-7 denzilcoulson Fri, 18 Sep 2009 07:36:00 +0000 http://simonashall.wordpress.com/?p=173#comment-7 As Lib Dem bloggers, we accept political criticism as par for the course in politics. It is fair game to "dish it out" to quote your words. I never take it personally. That is why I have not responded to this blog earlier. However, John Kingsbury left me with no choice but to use his own arguments concerning me, against him and his party. What I do take personally is an attack by your Council Leader, John Kingsbury's, on my character to stifle political debate when he e-mailed my group leader stating that I was breaching the code of conduct for merely stating my opinion of the facts as I saw them at the Overview and Scrutiny Committee on Monday night. His behaviour was bullying and undemocratic. Up to now, he has not come up with any evidence as to where I was supposedly breaching the code. I was pretty even-handed as far as I was concerned. We are Liberal Democrats. Therefore I do not share the Conservative worldview that sees day centres as merely "discretionary services". Politics is about divergent political views. I think you understand that but I don't think your Council Leader does. Furthermore, it crosses the line when Conservatives like yourself undermine your own arguments by becoming personal. For example, referring to Cllr Olly Wells as Chairman Wells. It basically insinuates that he is a communist and is defamatory as there is no basis in fact. In such cases, it shows that you are bereft of ideas to argue coherently by becoming personal in this way - something Cllr Melanie Whitehand accuses us of. On another matter completely, at least you and I share one passion - our support for Spurs football. And the rules of football applies to politics - play the ball, not the man. I look forward to further healthier debate. As Lib Dem bloggers, we accept political criticism as par for the course in politics. It is fair game to “dish it out” to quote your words. I never take it personally. That is why I have not responded to this blog earlier. However, John Kingsbury left me with no choice but to use his own arguments concerning me, against him and his party.

What I do take personally is an attack by your Council Leader, John Kingsbury’s, on my character to stifle political debate when he e-mailed my group leader stating that I was breaching the code of conduct for merely stating my opinion of the facts as I saw them at the Overview and Scrutiny Committee on Monday night. His behaviour was bullying and undemocratic. Up to now, he has not come up with any evidence as to where I was supposedly breaching the code. I was pretty even-handed as far as I was concerned.

We are Liberal Democrats. Therefore I do not share the Conservative worldview that sees day centres as merely “discretionary services”. Politics is about divergent political views. I think you understand that but I don’t think your Council Leader does.

Furthermore, it crosses the line when Conservatives like yourself undermine your own arguments by becoming personal. For example, referring to Cllr Olly Wells as Chairman Wells. It basically insinuates that he is a communist and is defamatory as there is no basis in fact. In such cases, it shows that you are bereft of ideas to argue coherently by becoming personal in this way – something Cllr Melanie Whitehand accuses us of.

On another matter completely, at least you and I share one passion – our support for Spurs football. And the rules of football applies to politics – play the ball, not the man. I look forward to further healthier debate.

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